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June 27, 2007

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George Templeton

And that is the key thing about Sen. Thompson and the life issue. You can say whatever you want about candidate questionaires and stuff like that, but his voting record speaks for itself. And more importantly he wants to overturn Roe v. Wade because it is bad law (which it is) and leave the decision to the states (which is how it should have always been).

Loudounconservative

Actually what Thompson said is that he opposed Roe v Wade but believed it was a state's issue. Thus, if state's want to keep abortion, it is fine with him. He is against the Human Life Amendment because of his state's rights stuff. Since when a state has the right to terminate an innocent person, an unborn baby, I don't know. I guess if state's want to allow three people to marry, or girls of 12 to have sex, as long as the state thinks it is ok, then fine. That argument doesn't wash when it is something that society has agreed upon for thousands of years like traditional marriage. Yes, Thompson is prolife but I don't like this sending it back to the states. However, because Duncan Hunter has gone nowhere and Brownback was orginally part of this ridiculous amnesty bill, which thankfully was defeated, Thompson is the best we have.

brimur

George- "overturn Roe" - I had no idea he was running for Supreme Court.

As someone with a pregnant wife I have become even more affirmed of my commitment to a woman's right to choose. Because when you support reproductive rights you not only support a woman's autonomy- you support a world where every child is born because they are wanted and loved and not because a government required them to be born.

Loudounconservative

That is the most asinine comments ever uttered! Most of us were not wanted babies--last one of five and can assure you with little money and many problems most a generation or two were not "wanted." When we got here we were loved and even if everyone isn't loved, they can go and be successful because God put them here. There is a heartbeat at 18 days--gee do you suppose it is a kangaroo in there? Typical liberal garbage just like illegal immigrant bill didn't give amnesty. How about giving the baby a choice--ever wonder what their opinion is swimming around in there? By 8 weeks every part of the baby is developed so don't give me that crap we all should be loved--we all should respect life at every stage. There are many thousands waiting to adopt but the selfish people today just think about how that would make them feel. Better off to kill the baby--insanity. Why God bothers with this country, I don't know but imagine He will eventually get fed up with this liberal garbage. I bet a whale gets beached you'd run to the rescue.

brimur

Woah hoss. I guess that's why this discussion has gotten dumbed down beyond all belief. If one attempts to talk through their position they receive name-calling and evil motives attributed to their position.

You know I don't think that most of the country is where you are Loudoun conservative. I think that most people do agree with you that there is something unique and valuable that is developing in a woman's womb. But I don't think most agree that a first trimester fetus is morally equivalent to a walking, talking human being. Most people wouldn't think it's a coin flip when given the choice between the life of their spouse and the life of their first trimester fetus.

I'm so tired of the soundbytes. The moral issue is a tough one, and it's one everyone should struggle with- but for men like myself it's rather an abstract moral question. It's women who have to make the decision about what is best for them, their bodies, and the potential life developing inside them.

I don't think I, you, or any other person has all the answers to resolve the difficult questions that surround the periphery of life - both at its beginning and at its end - but I can tell you that it's pretty easy for me to say, and I think a strong majority of Americans agree, that the government at least shouldn't be the final arbiter of such a difficult and personal decision.

Loudounconservative

There was a time when most believed blacks should be segregated or sat back and watched what Hitler did so I guess that is ok. Actually, polling shows more are with me, esp. young people. 2% of abortions are from rape, incest or life of the mother and there is never a need to kill a child. Obviously, if the baby dies while a woman is being treated for cancer it is not because she decided to kill the baby. Nice that everyone is murdering their sons and daughters because tests show they have Downs Syndrome. A woman's decision is made when she has sex but the selfish people of today only care about themselves. They are not fooling God and any man who thinks it is ok to have anyone murder and that is what it is murder an innocent unborn child cause it isn't convenient, or don't have the money, etc is not a man at all. There are well over 3000 crisis pregnancy centers that pay rent, get jobs, provide care for mother and child so there are plenty of places for a woman to go. Planned Parenthood won't even let a woman look at the ultrasound for fear she would change her mind and God forbid they would lose their blood money. I could write a book but folks like you just don't get it. One day you will maybe not on earth but when you are asked what you did to save unborn children, please do look Jesus in the eye and say, well Jesus it's like this--I know these babies are created with a soul at conception, but gee, really it is up to the woman to decide--see where that gets you. No wonder men aren't real men today--pitiful specimens many of them.

brimur

LC- I indulged you even though you're certifiably insane, but you've crossed the line. You do NOT get to judge me and present yourself to be the filter of the one true Christian way of living. My faith is important to me and guides me in more ways than it is any of your damned business. I suggest that you need to re-read the sermon on the mount.

George Templeton

I suppose Brimur I should have said he believes Roe should be overturned and abortion should be left to the states. I gather since we aren't talking about whether it should be legal or not, you want the status quo.
Well the people of this country should have been allowed to work their will in the 70s via their state legislatures and it was wrong for 5 people on the supreme court to take that away. I have read the constitution and don't see reproductive rights in there.

brimur

I also don't see guarantees against daily suspicionless anal probes, doesn't mean it's not a fundamental right implied by the due process clause.

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