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May 31, 2008

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Linda B

You say "classy move," I say "face-saving move." The dude lost by a landslide.

pro life virginian

I'm still up in the air about Gilmore. I did not like the dirty campaign literature that he came out with over the last week. Maybe they agree 90% ,but Marshall has more integrity in his left pinky fingernail than Gilmore in his whole body.

When Gilmore resigns from his $50K board post with a company that provides Planned Parenthood with morning-after pills, then I'll consider him prolife and vote.

The Northern Virginia Conservative

I'm with pro-life Virginian (and I'm not even pro-life.) Gilmore leaves a sour taste in my mouth, but we can't let Mark Warner win.

I think the closeness of this race made both sides leave in a sour mood. As a former Gov, Gilmore should have won in a landslide. He completely failed to ignite his past base and almost lost after having everything going for him. This is a bad omen for this fall. NO one left excited about a Gilmore candidacy, not even most of the Gilmore supporters.

As for Frederick, its put up or shut up time. Promises are nice but results better be delivered. When you bash everyone including volunteers in the past for not delivering you had better deliver or you will be gone quickly. Its that simple.

Chris

Lets not act like the dirty campaigning wasn't two-way. Marshall and his supporters constantly distorte and lied about Gilmore - calling him a "liberal" on abortion and declared he was pro-amnesty. All ridiculous, and in the end that "zero-sum conservatism" turned off a lot of good conservatives who like Bob but were put off by the ideological litmus tests imposed on you if you didn't agree.

So don't stand there and say "oh, wo is me, Gilmore won." It was an election.

The zero sum conservatism went both ways as well. Gilmore put out stuff bascially saying Marshall was not a conservative as well. This whole thing was very nasty. The fact no one really won convincingly is just terrible for the party. A win is a win but Gilmore just showed what a terrible campaigner he was by completely ignoring Marshall until it was almost too late and this will cost him dearly against M. Warner because of all the hard feelings it generated. Gilmore had better do something different in a hurry if he is to compete.

I think both Marshall and Gilmore are good conservatives and worthy of the nomination but both are zero sum conservatives (Gilmore did the same to Tom Davis so I do not feel bad whatsoever for him and kind of laughed yesterday) and that is why we essentially ended up with a political death match yesterday with Gilmore winning a battle but possibly losing the war by permanently alientating an entire segment of grassroots supporters.

Chris

Well you know what, some of those grassroots who feel alientated need to grow up and get over it. The consequences of doing nothing is too severe to think about. A veto-proof majority in the US Senate for Harry Reid and an Obama victory in Virginia?

James Young

Maybe I'm the exception, but I'm a Marshall voter who --- while sorry my guy lost --- has no problem with Gilmore, and who doesn't have "a sour taste" in my mouth. My dissatisfaction is with RPV professional staff, who ran perhaps the most amateurish, disorganized operation I have ever witnessed in my 20-odd years of attending these events.

Unfortunately you probably are the exception. Much of the sour grapes is the FACT the convention was run very unprofessionally. Some Marshall people think the election was potentially tainted. I certainly don't buy this theory but poor way this convention was handled can lead people to these conclusions.

My problems with Gilmore unlike many Marshall people are NOT ideological. I just think he is perhaps the most unelectable candidate the RPV has put forth in modern times based on his current negatives. This was evident at the convention with a group of moderates who banded togther with Marshall supporters to take out Gilmore.

While I am solidy in favor of Gilmore over Warner he must do something immediately to shake up his entire campaign operation. What can he do?
1. He must first work to immediately shore up the split Republican base. No way a former gov. should only beat a local state delgate by less than 1 percent. If he cannot shore up the base his campaign is over before it starts.

2. He must do something to energize the base and grassroots. Comparing Warner to Barak Obama will not get the job done because most Virginians won't buy it. It did not work in the recent special Congressional elections and it certainly won't work in Virginia this Nov. He must make the case for Jim Gilmore NOT against Warner or Obama. Let McCain take care of Obama. The same old tired conservative lines Gilmore used Saturday at the convention just will not work. He needs to sit down with those who have actually won recently, especially in NOVA districts and find out what works.

Chris

You know, anon 8:16, Gilmore did offer one interesting thought in his acceptance speech. He talked about not running against "Democrats," but rather their congressional agenda. I think that is a smart distinction. His strategy is to win over independents through kitchen table issues like gas prices . . . as for conservatives? He has to reach out, but it has to be reciprocated. The base of the base that supported Marshall have to be willing to accept Gilmore's overtures. I hope they will, Marshall's backers are savy enough to understand what their silence would cause.

To Obama, surpisingly Gilmore did not mention him a lot, and your analysis is right. The special elections in LA, MS, and IL proved that we can't just throw around Obama's name.

David Adams

We have our work cut out for us. I am one of those Gilmore delegates that supported Frederick. I did so because I believed that Gilmore was best positioned to give us a chance to beat Warner and supported Frederick because he knows how to win tough elections. Now he has to put that to work on a statewide level.

I challenge every Virginia conservative to pull out the check book and send Gilmore a check for as much as they can afford today. I am.

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