Jeff Frederick

I don't know where to start with my thoughts, its a bit scatter-shot right now.  On the one hand, I am incredibly furious that a roving band of 64 would overturn the will of the Convention of 2008.  I was a part of that Convention, and as a Frederick supporter at said convention I feel betrayed by my own party.  I'm an activist, supposedly that means I'm a "real" Republican, so its stunning to me that 64 souls on state central would, basically, overturn my vote.  If conventions are undemocratic in nature (and they are) what is this?  What is state central saying to the thousands of activists who have no basically wasted their time going to their unit meetings and local conventions and mass meetings?  We spoke, and we elected Jeff Frederick Chairman of the RPV.  Plain and simple, and for those who don't like Jeff, for the most part I say "tough sh*t", put up someone else next time around.  Then there is the question of precedence, and what this says about the internal system for the RPV?  You don't get your way in a undemocratic convention, so you go even more undemocratic and use 64 people to overturn the will of thousands?  And what happens when the "moderates" get their way and conservatives pull this crap?

But on the other hand, even the most die-hard Frederick fan cannot deny the controversy that has swirled his chairmanship, and whether its his fault or anyone else, it exists.  Bob McDonnell's pronouncement that he would prefer different leadership at RPV cannot be ignored, and more than ever we need to rally around McDonnell.  I'm not happy that McDonnell has come out for this, for the same reasons I explained above.  But more than anything, more than who's chairman of RPV and what morons are on State Central, I want to win.  I want to win.  I think Bob McDonnell can win, and I think we can win some state delegate seats here in Northern Virginia if we can unite.   And to be honest, fighting over the Chairman is just not worth it to me right now, with what else is on the line.  

It might sound like I'm quitting, but I feel we need to chose our battles right now.  It sucks, and I feel like I'm being stabbed in the back by party insiders who have basically spit in the face of all us who took the time to weave our way through the local system, find the time to go to the convention (I had to use a vacation day for it, wasted turns out), and cared enough about the party to take part this deep.  But we need to win in 2009 more than ever.  So I would encourage Chairman Frederick to be a bigger and stronger man then the so-called "moderates" and step down and run for reelection.  

And by no means will I be this generous should Tom "Don't Run Republicans In My Wife's District So I Keep Turnout Low And She Will Definitely Win, Only She Lost By 10-Points And Helped Ruin The Republican Party In Northern Virginia With That Backwards-Ass Strategy" Davis run for Chairman.  Paul Harris I can go with, even Easy Ed Gillespie, or whoever McDonnell wants.  

Lets not tear each other down, this is the kind of thing that can linger.  We need to keep our eyes on the prize, electing Bob McDonnell, Bill Bolling, and Ken Cuccinelli (bite-me moderates, I'm meeting you half-way).  Del Frederick, I'm a proud supporter but we can't get bogged down in this.  Show them your better then they are, let McDonnell have his way for the sake of the party, run for re-election, and we'll move on from there.

Comments

[James Atticus Bowden]

Too soon to roll over, Chris.

[Loudoun Insider]

As an astute commenter at TC pointed out, SCC is like the US Senate with Impeachment power. If the Chairman doesn't perform and/or engages in shenanigans they have the right to toss his ass out, but only by a huge super majuority. Quit whining about the will of the convention. Too many people were sold a false bill of goods on this cretin.

[James Young]

And let's face, the courageous "Loudmouthed Inciter" knows his cretins.

[Loudoun Insider]

Feel free to climb aboard the Save Frederick bandwagon with most of DPVA, Jimmie.

[Chris]

First of all, I love how putting forward my point of view is "whining." I'm starting to get tired of trying to disagree agreeably and getting called names by so called "moderates" who operate in practice by the same low standards they accuse conservatives of when we don't.

[James Young]

Absolutely, Chris. If Conservatives tried to pull this crap on so-called "moderates," "Loudmouthed Inciter" would be screaming foul.

I'm always impressed when those cowards who hide behind a pseudonym (probably out of fear of a "Who's that?" moment) cast their brickbats.

[James Atticus Bowden]

Chris: Do a who-shot-john timeline. Who called whom first. When did they decide to gather a lynch mob. When did they decide to exclude some members of SCC (like me)? Why did they refuse to let me see the letter, unless I agreed to sign it in advance? Why do they refuse to say who they want to replace Jeff - and why?

It's like 'follow the money.' Follow the footsteps in the snow.

Frankly, it isn't a C vs M vs L thing as I can see it. More Establishment Republican vs Republican Conservative - and more decidedly about who has control of the RPV Chairman - and whatever power, money and influence the position brings.

[Steven Osborne]

Unfortunately, the establishment of our state party has been more moderate over the past few years. The voters came to the convention last year and voted for Jeff Frederick. Frederick did not sit well with the more moderate leadership and now they are launching a coup.

With that being said, Bob McDonnell is also a trusted conservative and he has said he prefers different leadership. However, rest assured, the handful of moderate Republicans want control of the RPV and they will try and take it with or without McDonnell's approval. It is unfortunate that the moderate wing's desire for power has gotten in the way of a unified front against the liberal Democrats.

[Chris]

Yeah. The thing that drives me crazy is the conservatives are the ones who always show up, whether we win or lose the internal fight, and I'm proud of that. What drives me nuts is bitchy "moderates" that even when they get their way (hello Sen. McCain) they still stay home or fall for some songbird senator who reads a good teleprompter.

The main reason I think Jeff should bow out is because of McDonnell. Thats enough for me to say ""hey, lets pull together here and win this race." But the thing is if Jeff does bow out and Paul Harris takes over . . . they'll bitch about him too. And they'll keep bitching until our brand is so watered-down that we can't win . . . and then they blame conservatives for being to divisive and mean-spirited. They very definition of the circular firing squad.

There is only one man I will refuse to support at RPV, and thats Tom Davis. I'm just worried that since he's close to McDonnell thats gonna be the guy because he's a "genius."

Ask Chap Petersen how much of a genius Tom Davis is.

[200 Grande]

To anyone who says Tom knows how to win in Northern Virginia, there is a three-word response: JEANNEMARIE DEVOLITES DAVIS.

[Steven Osborne]

Chris,

You are right that GOP conservatives will show up. However, there are many independent conservatives who may not. Statistics show that the biggest fall off in 2008 was from the most pro-life districts in the nation.

Most independents are culturally conservative. We need a party chairman that will not take the Virginia GOP in the moderate direction. We need leadership that will appeal to independant conservatives through fresh ideas based on principle.

[Another Moderate]

Perhaps I can provide some clarity to the posters here who obviously do not understand the situation unfolding at RPV.

#1: The argument of overturning the will of the Convention is ludicrous. We all agree that the President is elected by a majority of electors. That does not prevent the Senate from impeaching him with cause. The Executive Committee acts in the same capacity, and with the controversy over him spendng $2400 p/m of RPV's money to pay himself to use his Dumfries office, the questionable usage of RPV staffers, etc...that is just the beginning of the grounds to remove him.

#2: This has NOTHING to do with moderate vs. conservative leadership. This has to do with leadership PERIOD. Jeff has none. I know almost all of the Executive Committee and there are many people on there who are as conservative as Jeff. The fact is Jeff Frederick has no judgement or leadership skills. Thus, he cannot function as a useful Party Chair.

#3: Its not going to be Tom Davis. I would really like if you don't know what your talking about then not to post stupid things like this. Tom Davis would never get approved, and he does not want the job anyway.

[Loudoun Insider]

$2400 a month to use his office??? If that is indeed true, then it needs to come out publicly. For the life of me I don't understand the secrecy behind some of this, even though I want Frederick out. I guess they're just trying to protect the reputation of RPV, but I say throw this cretin to the wolves.

Mentioning Tom Davis is like bringing up the Boogeyman. It's designed to scare the bejeebers out of the "conservatives" so that they clamor to keep Frederick around.

[Chris]

I like how you say everything needs to be public but you blog behind a psydonum. Hilarious.

[Jib Jab]

I like how you've never, ever been able to spell shit, Chris.

[Loudoun Insider]

Go ahead and climb on the James Young/Shaun Kenney bandwagon and the war against pseudonymity. Try tilting at windmills, you'll have more fun.

[Rick S]

I like Jeff Frederick. I agree though that if McDonnell wants someone else then we should go that way. It's a shame though.

[Jason]

LI - Chris and others have a point. You can't call for transparency and expect to be taken seriously when you hide behind curtains yourself, man.

[200 Grande]

I want McDonnell to win the governor's race too! You would think he would be focused on that.

Instead, he is spending valuable campaign time participating in internal, super-secret RPV State Central intrigue.

This has yielded great publicity for his campaign and the Party,...right?

[Tim Boyer]

This mentality that Jeff should bend over and take it for the good of the party is the most stupid thing I have ever heard of, short of McDonnell inserting his idiotic self into this.

You are saying that these establishment elites can do anything they want to destroy a man's character, reputation, and his life, as well as lose a House seat, and you will always fall into the trap they set for you of telling you that you have to let them screw you " for the good of the party".

Why is it always what they want that becomes "good for the party"?
They start a fight, assassinate a man's character, and when he defends himself and YOU from having your right to elect your own leaders stolen from you by Bob and Co.,you step right into their trap of thinking you have get screwed for the good of the party!

WHO made them the arbiters of that decision?

Geez, people wake the heck up!
Are we B----es for the establishment, or is this OUR party?

If we don't defend Jeff, then we are every bit as guilty as Mike Wade and the other thugs doing this to him and his supporters.

Chris, you are saying that they can cook up any charges, no matter how fraudulent and unsubstantiated, and you will go along with the injustice "for the good of the party".

How is ripping apart the party at the seams for the purpose of putting a lapdog yes-man in as Chairman "good for the party"?

Pray tell, how is it somehow noble to allow a man's character to be destroyed in the public with no evidence whatsoever to support the charges being used to destroy him?
Good gosh people!
Where is your manhood?
Where is your American independence?
Where is your sense of justice?
Where is your dedication to Reagan conservatism before your dedication to whomever may control the party apparatus at any given time?

Do you really think the same people who have supervised the losses of the last six election cycles in Virginia ought to be given the benefit of the doubt that this is anything more than a coup for their own self interest?

They gave the same old seemingly addictive lines about "party unity" when they were trying to screw McSweeney in the ninties(and failed,BTW!!)
Again, when they colluded with John Warner to screw Ollie and Mike Farris, and yet somehow this rogue band of political highway robbers have your heart more so than decency and justice!

I have a suggestion;
For the good of the party, how about we throw BobbyMcD under the bus, and replace him with Mickey Mouse or the Easter Bunny?

Or, better yet, run a conservative independent to give us someone we can actually vote for without puking.

But I forget;
For the good of the party, I am supposed to let them walk all over me, rape my wife, abuse my daughter, kill my son, take my house, and behave in other such winsome ways as to make moderates and Democrats want to vote for us............I get it now.

[Chad P]

"But more than anything, more than who's chairman of RPV and what morons are on State Central, I want to win. I want to win."

This is why I continue to refuse to join the Republican Party. All the rhetoric aside, it isn't about principle, or morality, or ethics... it's about getting the guy or gal with a "R" next to their name elected, regardless of how well they live up to the Republican creed.

In other words, people... try NOT being cowards and sell-outs for once.

[major pain]

Ooh! looks like i'm a little late for the party. gotta chime in anyway.

why some of you posters or should refer to you as posers would even want to call yourselves Republicans is beyond me. there is no such thing as a moderate Republican. but if we must use labels a moderate Republican is a liberal. you only happen to recognize (and enjoy) some conservative principles. seeing how you dont know which side of the fence you want to stand on you keep your ragged opinions to yourself.

no i do not post to unite but divide. let see the conservatives stand up. GOD family country. the ten Commandments. the Constitution of the U.S. what else do we need? there was a time when i called Virginia the most conservative state in the union. but now i am overrun by pansies. well goodness. somebody do something right before my head explodes. and if things couldn't get worse i'll bet money (whatever it is worth these days) that some of you think it is ok for bHo to tell Virginia how to run Virginia.

i wonder how many

[major pain]

Looks like the pain ran out of ...we press on

i wonder how many of have the nutsack to write in a candidate? Frederick for governor.

thank you for your time. yeah the major pain said that

[the major pain]

I think ive let some time pass enough for you all to conjure up a rebut. you havent. i win and whoever agrees with me.

if in fact you do make McD governor i tell you the same way i talk to them wibwals (about bHo). you get what you pay for.

yeah the major pain said that